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I'm going to see it with my husband. I've heard that you don't walk out of the theatre the same. The only problem I have is the subtitles, I'm pretty goofy I end up staring at subtitles on the screen and miss movies. But I'm sure this won't be the case. When are you going? EllieFunt
I really want to see this movie. I'm sure I'll cry because its very hard to think about the Sacrifice that Jesus made for our sins. I know it will be a very emotional movie.
I'm going to see it.. but I'm already leary about a few things regarding the movie. Understand that the film is touted as being completely "Biblical" by many people across the board from the Roman Catholic Church, to the more Evangelical Protestants. Having said that, I'd like to point out some of the following things that I have noticed from the trailers (mind you, I have not seen the movie yet) 1. Several scenes were removed from the movie because they made clear that the Jews were the ones who murdered the Christ. The producers and advisors thought that it could stir up anti-semitism if it were shown that way, so they deleted the scenes. Fact: The Jewish leaders of the day were in fact the ones who murdered the Christ. Jesus Himself is a Jew from the tribe of Judah. Peter spent most of his early ministry chastising the Jews for exactly that.. murdering the Christ... look at the first few chapters in the Book of Acts to confirm this. 2. The movie depicts Christ carrying a cross shaped piece of lumber (at least in the trailers) up the "via dolorosa" to Golgotha where He was executed. Fact: Historically we know that those being crucified would have carried a patibulum (cross beam) and the vertical part of the cross would have already been at the execution site. Only the Gospel according to St. John records Christ as having carried his patibulum at ALL! Matthew, Mark and Luke all record Simon the Cyrene as having carried the patibulum of the Christ. In all likelyhood, what took place is that when the patibulum was placed upon the Christ he crumbled underneath its weight coming out of the Praetorium (Roman Judgment Hall). He would have been suffering from hypovolemic shock by this point from rapid blood loss from the scourging that had just taken place. Immediately the Roman guard conscripted Simon to carry the patibulum for the Christ so they could carry out their orders and execute Him for treason. (this is why He was executed). At any rate, I am looking forward to watching the movie... but I urge all of you to compare anything based on Scripture to the Scripture itself! AF lll
I saw The passion of the Christ today,it was amazing,they really captured what Christ did for all of man kind.Cheist was exactly murdered by the Jews he gave hir life willingly(for everyone,even the Jews)I think that is something people fail to realize.If they would have truly belived that Christ was the mesaih they wouldnt have crusified him and then Gods will would not have been done.It was never about Jew or Christian or anything,it was about what Christ came to do for all of man kind.It was truly a remarkable movie.There was not a dry eye in the theater it really is a tear jerker!!!!WONDERFUL....
Im sorry I meant to say that Christ wasnt exactly murdered.And also he does calaps when he his forced to carry the cross....Sorry about that
Everyone that I've talked to that has seen it has said one word "Amazing". They seem to have trouble putting it into words. Now to get the unbelievers and people who are "on the fence" so to speak to see it. But if they don't truly know the story will they understand what he did for us? AF, I'm curious on your thoughts on this. EllieFunt
To be honest Ellie, I'm not sure. I haven't seen the film. My in-laws are in town and I will be headed up to a condo north of Houston for the week. I won't really get a chance to see the film for a couple of weeks probably. But I'll be sure to post some thoughts once I do see the film. And yes the Jews did murder the Christ. At least according to the Scripture which I believe to be the Word of God. Acts 2:22-23 (this is Peter speaking to the Jews) "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. Acts 2:36-37 (Peter is still speaking after quoting several passages to the assembled crowd) "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. When the people (the Jews) heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" This is AF speaking again: Having said all of this, I want to make it clear that I am not Anti-Semetic at all. I love the Jews. As I stated before Jesus Himself was a Jew from the tribe of Judah. Peter who made this pronouncement in the book of Acts was a Jew. And the Jews are in fact God's chosen people. But as God's chosen people they needed to be told not only of what they had done, but given an opportunity to accept the sacrifice that had been made for them. The substitutionary atonement of the Christ. Those who accepted the free gift of grace which is offered in verses 38-40 of this same chapter were then baptized.. 3000 were added to the believers number that day alone as we read in verse 41. Anyway.. I don't say this to be argumentative.. but to reflect on the Scripture what it is being discussed. I hope that this movie is used as a great tool to inform a dying world about the message of reconciliation and that all believers realize that in fact we are to be ambassadors for Christ Jesus. AF lll
You people that think that the jews murdered christ are SOOOOOOOOO misinformed. The bible is full of so many parables nobody is really sure what was really meant when it was written. It had to be translated through many different languages, so some info may have been unintentionally altered. Plus, the language has changed a lot since those times. In those days sat on a branch eating berries might have meant sat and thought about something or something else. The Romans killed christ, not the jews. You know, you guys need to learn something before you go around spreading your ignorance and other people who don't know any better will beieve you misinformation. Nobody really knows what happened to Christ. Not the exact story, To go into see this movie thinking you are going to see an ACTUAL, ACCURATE portrayal of what happened to christ would be absolutely ridiculous. I am not jEwish, but I don't believe in this ANTI-SEMETIC movie. Don't judge ANYONE..........isn't that in the bible????? Sorry if I offended anyone!
have you seen the movie yet??It is actually a good movie.I think some people think that the Jews killed Christ,but I look at it a different way.John 10:17-18 say this.... 17. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18.No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.I feel that some people try to find someone at fault when in fact Jesus himself gave his life for ALL!!!!How do you see this???
I just know that the jews did not kill christ. He chose for himself. That guy who told on him, judas, was a dumbass, but there's dumbasses in EVERY religion. He knew not what he did. I am going to see it on Saturday, my sis-in-laws church rented out the theater over here and we are going to see it. I am going to go in with an open mind, but it is dumb to go into that movie thinking you are seeing EXACTLY what happened. In truth, you are seeing what the writers and directors THINK happened. I want to see someone else's viewpoint. The only thing that scares me is, I think this movie is going to stir up a bunch of anti-semitism. I am not jewish myself, but I know a bit about the religion , and about other religions. I don't like any kind of religious discord and this movie is going to stir it up because of the way it portrays the jews. I just feel sorry for all of the ignorant people who are going to see this movie thinking they are seeing an ACCURATE potrayal. Nothing is accurate, we cannot be exactly sure what he went through. Now we can see what Mel Gibson and the rest of his "people" think. But the true happenings cannot be known for sure. I think that if people went to see this movie and went in with an open mind and knew exactly what hey were seeing, AN OPINION, then I think the world will be a bit better off. But I can already tell that it won't happen that way. / The bible has been interpreted SEVERAL different ways. Each way it means totally different things. I believe you should interpret it any way you wish, as long as you are woshipping G*d, everything should fall into place. You can go and learn from someone educated and see all the truths for yourself. The only way out of ignorance takes an effort to go out and learn. Lots of people just go around, livivng their lives according to what eveyone else thinks, without finding out for themselves.
I watched the movie and I wached the making of the movie and have heard alot of interviews with Mel Gibson.He says that the reason he directed it himself was because he wanted the movie to line up with the scripture.The movie is in no way to me or people I have talked to anti-semitism neither is he.My hope is that through watching this movie people will realise that Christ did in fact lay down his life for everyone that they may have enternal life.And in the movie(as in the scripture)Christ says "Forgive for they know not what they do."I beleive this to be true,if anyone would have really knew who they were crusifing they wouldn't have done it.Pilate (who was the Roman Governor washed his hands of,he found Christ to be innocent and he let the people choose between Christ and Barabas(because it was custom to let one person go on passover)and they choose christ.Then Pilate asked what they wanted to do with Christ and they said crusify him.All of this is in(begins)Matthew chapter 27.
Shavaunl, You bring up a good point, again God is Sovereign and this is clear. In this passage that you discuss, you must remember that it is the One who spoke and the cosmos came into existence that is speaking. He is stating that it is His sovereign choice to lay down His life. This is a great passage of Scripture. The issue over who murdered the Christ is inconsequential when you look at why He Himself took on the only perfect sacrifice that could have been made for humanity. Historically the Jews sentenced him to die through the Roman system.. there have been nearly exhaustive studies done on this topic. It is pointless to argue over this topic when it glosses over the fact that the sacrifice itself was made by God in human flesh. The sacrifice is essential, who killed Him is non-essential. In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty and in all things charity. Shalom AF lll
I completely agree with you.Great point.Have you been able to see the movie yet??
Plus, one has to remember, for all of humanity to be saved, Jesus *had* to die in the manner that He did. Therefore, whether it was the Jewish people or Roman people who did the killing, the fact is, again, that Jesus HAD to die. Otherwise, humanity would not be saved. The question concerning the film, which I have not seen, is whether Gibson stresses the Roman or the Jewish involvement. From what I've heard, he more heavily stresses how the Romans were "innocent" when in fact that is not true. A prominent Jewish leader also "washed his hands" of the incident. And it was the Romans who tortured and ultimately killed Jesus. So how you interpret the film is clearly based on your own inane biases. :D
Well i do know one thing,in Mattew chapter 27:23-25 it says 23. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. 24. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. 25. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.[/b][/b]And that is right out of the BIBLE.The movie just shows how it was written in scripture and no one can come against scripture and still say they believe that Jesus was in fact the Christ.I saw the movie and have done research in the scripture.If anyone knows something I do not please inform me.
i just saw the movie tonight and i thought it was great i mean i havent been a Christian very long just a couple of years but i have read the bible and learned alot in the past couple of years and the movie followed and seemed quite accurate to scripture, however i dont know what the deal is with the protesters saying that the movies shows that the jews killed Christ the way i saw it it showed that there was Judas who turned Jesus in then there were the Jews that brought him to the Romans and just like in anything it wasnt all the Jews that killed Christ yes they were the ones that accused him and stuff but then there was the Romans who were the ones that accutally cusified him however if the Jews hadnt accused him he wouldnt have been crusified but plain and simple it was all Gods plan why does it matter whos did it if people are looking to blame someone blame God since it was his plan however if it wasnt in his plan then we wouldnt be forgiven of our sins Jesus did what he did cuz he loves us and it was in Gods plan *just my 2 cents*
also before anyone judges the movie i would recomend seeing it fist Christian or not
I agree I saw the movie and thought it was teriffic.Everyone that I've talked to have said the same thing about the movie,none of them said anything about anti-semitism.
has anyone else seen the movie yet??I heard that it is coming out on dvd and vhs in june of this year(thats pretty quick i think)so if you wanna see it at the theater I would advise you to go see it soon if what I heard is true.
are you serious that is really quick for a movie to come out on DVD
Sorry I haven't wrote back my internet was down.But yeah I read it online,they said that it was secduled to hit stores in June of 2004.It really surprised me,I didn't think it would be coming out on dvd or anything for atleast 6 months or so.I was gonna take some more of my friends to see it but over here where I live the tickets are sold out.
do you know if they are only putting out the theater version with subtitles or if they are going to translate it into english
i haven't saw it, i doubt that i will. i'm sure that it is a good enough film. subtitles would cause me to fall asleep i think. :( but it has done very well at the box office, so i must be in the minority..
Warning - some of you might not like this post. Keep in mind, this is just my opinion and is not meant to insult anyone. I saw this movie last Saturday. There are two reviews I can give for this film. This first is on a religious level. When viewing the film in context of Christian values, the film is near excellent. It truly stresses the conviction and determination Jesus had for His beliefs. Even if one does not believe in God or Jesus, one can admire Jesus' utter determination. If one is religious, one can clearly see the sacrifice Jesus made for us. The second review, though, is on a movie level - and if this is viewed ONLY as a movie, it is VERY weak. While the movie is filmed will, acted as well as it can be (given the limited dialogue), and has wonderful costumes, in terms of plot, there was none. It was two hours of sadistically beating a man. A far stronger movie would have had less graphic details about ripping the flesh off a man and more about the man's life and WHY he held such strong convictions. That is, the film would have benefitted from far more flashbacks and far less details about which piece of flesh was ripped from which body part. As I was raised in a religious environment, I already "got" what Jesus did for us. This movie did nothing to help strengthen those beliefs. I was not overwhelmed with emotion seeing Jesus tortured. I don't view myself as some cold, heartless man - but rather, as I wrote, I already fully understood how badly Jesus was tortured. I had no need to see this film to confirm this or my faith. In fact, I wondered why Gibson felt he had to capture Jesus' death on film in such graphic detail. What was the point? To truly prove how Jesus suffered? Doesn't the Bible already discuss this? For centuries people were able to live good Christian lives without the need for this graphic representation of Jesus' torture and death. Is Gibson saying that our society "needs" this now? Still, I can see how many benefitted from seeing this film. Therefore, as a religious film, I give it an "A", but I give it a "C" as a movie. This averages to a "B" overall grade. Of course, given that the film has made over $150M already, who cares? We just made Gibson a very, VERY wealthy man! 8O
I feel that in this day in time people need to remember what Christ did for them.I fell that if this movie doesn't impact your life something is wrong.We might have been told what Christ did but to actually see it happen is a different story(to me anyway).Back then they actually did rip the skin off of people who were sent to be scourged.I think that some people have spent to much time watching horor flicks that they don't realize what is really going on in this movie.All I could do was sit and cry,the thought that someone loved me that much and went through that because he loved us really gets to me.I wouldn't be able to go through all of that.But this is just my opion.
[quote:c38e5d2e37="Shavaunl"]I feel that in this day in time people need to remember what Christ did for them.I fell that if this movie doesn't impact your life something is wrong..[/quote:c38e5d2e37] What a terribly UN-Christian thing to say! 8O To even suggest that "something is wrong" with me or anyone because I/we don't agree with your views is horrible! I'm starting to think that perhaps there was a need for Gibson to make this movie after all - for Christians to remember what it is to be Christian! :roll: [quote:c38e5d2e37]We might have been told what Christ did but to actually see it happen is a different story(to me anyway).Back then they actually did rip the skin off of people who were sent to be scourged.[/quote:c38e5d2e37] I have no doubt that this was true. That wasn't my point. To me, the most interesting part about Jesus was His life and after-life. I think the film would have been far more beneficial to everyone if Gibson included just a bit more of that in this movie. I realize the focal point was the last 12 hours of Jesus' life - but why? What is to be gained by focusing on this sadistic torture and murder? I did not gain any further appreciation for what Jesus did by seeing this movie. And this is due to the fact that it is just that - a movie. No one alive knows exactly what happened. This is just Gibson's [b:c38e5d2e37]interpretation[/b:c38e5d2e37] of the gospels and other religious articles - it doesn't necessarily mean it was correct. [quote:c38e5d2e37]I think that some people have spent to much time watching horor flicks that they don't realize what is really going on in this movie.All I could do was sit and cry,the thought that someone loved me that much and went through that because he loved us really gets to me.I wouldn't be able to go through all of that.But this is just my opion[/quote:c38e5d2e37] As a religious person, one should be more than understanding and accepting of other people's beliefs and views. It is highly presumptuous and dismissive of you to use the excuse of people "watching horror flicks" as a rational for why someone doesn't agree with you. For example, I never watch horror movies - they are very pointless to me. I have no interest in seeing people killed in that manner. I *got* what Jesus did for me years ago. It's not arrogance speaking - I reflected upon that. It's that I really did understand His sacrifice. To this day I am amazed by it. I often hate Good Friday for this reason - it's the saddest day of the year. Fortunately, it's soon followed by one of the most joyous days of the year. Seeing this movie did not strengthen those feelings at all simply because those feelings couldn't get any stronger. But Jesus' torture and death would mean NOTHING if it weren't for His life and afterlife. As I wrote above, this is what interests me most about Jesus and this is what I felt the movie needed to help put things in perspective. Hence, I stand by my earlier post. As a religious movie, the film is strong. I see how the film has had an effect on you, me and many others. But as a movie, it is rather weak. After all, if this film was about anyone other than Jesus, would you care? Would you have seen it? Would this movie even have been made?
..i'm not trying to cause a stir here, but i see mr. gibson getting paid a lot of money for this film. which is "entertainment" no matter what the subject of the movie is. in my opinion, it would be difficult to capture what happened so many years ago. it is all open to interpretation..
[quote]What a terribly UN-Christian thing to say! To even suggest that "something is wrong" with me or anyone because I/we don't agree with your views is horrible! I'm starting to think that perhaps there was a need for Gibson to make this movie after all - for Christians to remember what it is to be Christian! I was making a point that Some people just were not impacted by this movie,when I said"you"I meant people.I wasn't trying to offend anyone I just see it a different way then other people.I couldn't hold back the tears when I watched this movie.And saying that it is UN-Christian is judgemental.It wasn't my views I was talking about it was that SOME people today are not impacted for what Christ did for them and to me that is a very sad thing!!!!!!!I believe what Mel Gibson was trying to show was that Christ loved EVERYONE so much that He payed a great price so we could be with him.I do have a question for you doctoru2 what do you believe?????I do not want to make anyone feel that I come against your opions in the last sentence of my post I planly stated that this was my opion.....
I saw the movie with my grandmother, and I thought it was an excellent movie. Frankly, it isn't one that i would sit and watch over and over again, but still. I thought it did have a plot to it, though. On a movie purely level, i think it was a good movie. It evoked emotion, and even in the beating scenes... Some people think that they went over board, and maybe they did. I don't think so, though. I thought it portrayed the emotions Christ would have felt fairly well, the scenery was good, and there was a lot of... Emotion in it. A lot of people have just been focusing on the flogging and crucifiction scene, but there was a lot more to the movie than that. A lot of it was about his fight against giving in and giving up. And there was a lot of focus on Mary, which i think was right. So it was more than just about the crucifiction. Just my feelings on the matter, though. Be well, all. ~val